Grrr GWB on TV for ammendment to ban gay marriage

[ribbon]

:reallymad :reallymad I knew this was coming so I probably shouldn't be fuming :reallymad right now. He's proposing a constitutional ammendment to state that marriage is only between two people of opposite gender.
The positive news is that it takes two thirds of the population to vote for this and it doesn't seem he'll have the votes for that since the split between those who agree and disagree is closer to half and half. Also, the courts would have to say this proposal is constitutional, which it is not. I hope this rallies people against Bush in November. One and done is my motto for him.

[Strangefolkphan]

Ribbon,

I think it's funny, but not in a haha kind of way, that he wants a Constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriages. That's pretty obsurd! I don't get what the big hubub is all about. Two people love each other, it doesn't hurt anybody.

:peace and :love,

Christine

[ribbon]

Strangefolkphan said:I think it's funny, but not in a haha kind of way, that he wants a Constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriages. That's pretty obsurd! I don't get what the big hubub is all about. Two people love each other, it doesn't hurt anybody.


You don't know the ribbing I'm getting from my friend from europe about GWB :ohboy :muhaha. I think I'm going to go with your idea and :muhaha about the stupidity of it all.

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I never understand why people get so het up over the lifestyle choices of others.

There is a simple enough answer if you are against gay marriage - just don't marry a gay person

[seniorpride]

:ummm I'm going to have to take the other side here... I agree with Bush's position on this issue... because of my Christian beliefs and because I, personally, believe that marriage was originally intended for a man and woman as set forth in the Bible. I know that many other people here do not agree with me, and that's ok - everyone has their own opinion about gay marriage. I don't want to step on anyone's toes here, I just happen to believe in what Bush is trying to promote with this amendment. Do I think this is the right route, passing a constitutional amendment? I'm not real sure about that yet. But I do support him in saying that marriage should be heterosexual. :shy Please don't be mad at me... these are just my beliefs.

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senior pride I totally respect your beliefs - and appreciate that a Christian marriage ceremony is really designed for the man-woman joining.

However a civil service? Without traditional christian ceremony and vows?

I had a bit of an interesting disagreement with my mum over this. My mum is an aethiest and only married my father in church as not to upset my grandmother (who stopped believing in god at the outbreak of WW****). However mum still thinks gays should not be allowed to get married, and got quite annoyed when I pointed out that she was defending the topic from a christian point of view, when she doesn't actually believe in god. I think in her case she was trying to find a way of justifying her homophobia (which is subtle but deadly)

Hope I'm making sense here - had a wisdom tooth taken out a few hours ago and for some reason the facial numbness seems to have affected my brain too

[SanFran]

I just read his speech. It disgust me. It was humans in this country that decided marriage should be the union of a man and a woman. If ninety percent of the country was gay, wouldn't us heterosexuals want to be allowed to marry?

While I respect varying beliefs, this is not a Christian country; all faiths reside here. Many people in this country don't go by the Bible, how Is it really right to use the beliefs of the majority (Christians) agains thte minority?

Sadly, GWB's speech is only promoting homophobia.

[ribbon]

fish of hope said: IIt was humans in this country that decided marriage should be the union of a man and a woman. If ninety percent of the country was gay, wouldn't us heterosexuals want to be allowed to marry?

:muhaha Excellent point. There was a time not long ago when blacks were not allowed to marry whites and blacks were not able to go to the same schools or drink from the same waterfountains as whites. The supreme court said that separate but equal cannot be considered equality.

fish of hope said: Sadly, GWB's speech is only promoting homophobia.

That is so true :sad.

[ilikejesus]

This just makes me really angry. San francisco, and Massachusetts have already made same sex marriages legal, and Chicago is going to be next. No one is going to want to vote to make this amendment legal because of how unjust it is. GWB can kis my butt, cause he deserves to rot in hell for taking away peoples rights. First he tried to make sodomy illegal, now he's trying to make same sex marriages illegal, what next the GSA's in high schools? The LGBTQ youth support groups? The Lgt clubs? Someone needs to seriously beat Bush cause the LGBT community won't survive another four years with him in the white house.

(This is one reason I am really looking forward to my spring break, protesting in DC if I can get my car fixed.)

:clover :singing ilikejesus :singing :clover

[battgyrll]

Here's my two cents:

First of all, it is fine if you don't think that homosexuals should be married. That is your belief, it works for you and that's fine. It is not my belief, but I respect the opinions of anyone who wants to think that way. However...it should NOT be in the constitution. My dad and I had a discussion about this. He is against gay marriage, not for religious reasons, but because "It's just wrong" (his words, not mine, a classic example of my dad and how he operates.) But he agrees with me that no way should this be in the constitution. This would totally eliminate the separation of churhc and state thing, and there is no reason for the constitution to be ruling our personal lives.

Also, in the two hundred plus years that we have been a country, there have been twenty six amendments to the constitution. Ten of them were put in right away, and one of them negates another. So in actuality, we have had fourteen amendments to the constitution in twohundred+ years. These amendments cover things such as term of office for president, giving certain people the right to vote, the age we can vote at, etc. Does anyone see why gay marriage should be one of those amendments? It just doesn't seem to fit to me.

:bat battgyrll :bat
Sara

[elana_lea]

i have **** bumper stickers that are pertinent to this discussion.

heterosexuality isn't normal-it's just more common.

and

don't like same sex marriages? don't have one then.

[Jik]

Ribbon, oh I so like your outlook on GWB!!!!!!!!!

Here's my take on it.

Check out the tax ratio between singles and married folk.

Review the Social Security Survivor benefits.

Look at all the tax dollars that our government gets to keep because two people who share a household with love and commitment don't get to check filing status two on their returns.

It's not about God its about the almighty dollar. (That's not directed at anyone here - that's my take on the government's stance on the issue)

Just my opinion. My opinion is this because over the past few years health insurance benefits are now beginning to be covered by employers of long-term not married couples in many instances. Legalizing same sex marriages would be the next logical step and then refer back to the beginning of my thread :grin.

Joy

[morgie]

I didn't vote for him last time, and I certainly won't vote for him this time. Besides the gay marriage ammendment, I would never vote for someone who thinks it's a good idea to make abortion illegal.

He and his posse do not have a fucking clue.

M

[Catherose]

What bothers me about this is that nearly every person who I've heard argue against gay marriage mentions their Christian beliefs, not just on thos board, but everywhere... Christian beliefs are fine, but I don't think they should affect the government. I know this country was supposed to be founded on Christian values, but at the same time separation of church and state is a central tenet in democracy. While I respect Christian values, I don't think they neccessarily belong in a discussion about government legislation.

[Solène]

Those of us who disagree with gay marriage aren't automatically homophobic or of the opinion that the church and state should be mixed.

Bush frustrates me - I respect him for firmly believing what he believes, but want to throw large hard objects at him when that means he isn't listening to other points of view. I do disagree that this should be a constitutional issue, and really, I don't think it's necessarily worth lamenting b/c it's not going to happen. Too many hurdles and fair arguments from the other side.

But I am sad to see gay marriage brought up in such a way in the news lately that those of us who disagree w/ it must have our heads under a rock or in our asses or something. The fact is, two people of the same sex have to use artificial means in order to create a family, which for the majority of marriages and relationships is a typical (not required, I KNOW) progression of their union together. Therefore, purely based on physical reality, it's not "natural". Before you bite my head off, hear me out. (One of my best friends is a lesbian by the way, so I'm not completely clueless on the issue.) I have been really struggling between two sparring opinions in my head - the fact that anyone should be able to make their choices and follow their heart like I could when I got married, and then the fact that "marriage" is currently protected as a sacred union between a man and a woman who can consummate it in the way that makes sense of the our human physical reality. No, not every married couple decides to have children. But you talk about "natural"... and there's my opinion, without bringing religion into it at all.

I've really tried to look at this from both sides of the issue and have thought about it quite a bit in different contexts but in the end I'm still sad about it and can't quite bring myself to be ok with it. I don't think that makes me a 'less tolerant' person or closed-minded. I kind of look at it as placing high value in one area whereas others will place theirs in a different one. I am tolerant of those that differ w/ my opinion on it and wouldn't go marching in the streets against the choices that other people make for their own lives. My opinion and feelings are just that and I can't call them anything more - no one can... I just can't change the fact that it makes me sad and scared for the future of the family and what it will mean for our kids and theirs.

I'm sure I've probably offended someone reading this - that tends to happen when someone w/ more traditional views comes along and says they disagree w/ what others see as progress. But I am not about to apologize for what I feel, and Seniorpride - I don't think you should either.

[ribbon]

Solène said: Those of us who disagree with gay marriage aren't automatically homophobic or of the opinion that the church and state should be mixed.

I don't think that, but I do wonder why some people it's ok to discriminate against gays and lesbians and not allow them the same rights under the constituion that hertosexual couples. It seems like this and size acceptance are two areas where discrimination is still back in the twentieth century.

[Shauna]

My brother is gay. I recently asked him how it made him feel to have the president of the US say it's wrong for gays to marry. His reply?

President Bush is just trying to take the heat off of himself.

I agree with my brother. No one is talking about those military records, are they?

And if people want the word marriage to be only used by heterosexuals, then come up with another damn word so people can marry no matter their sexuality.