New book is out about Montreaux House

[Geneveive]

Hey :pinkfishy ies

I just thought you might be interested in this. A new book has just been published about Montreaux House, suuposedly talking about what really went/goes on there.
Montreaux House is that program for eating disorders that was started by Peggy Claude Pierre after her two daughters went through anorexia. There has been a lot of controversary about her program and I think that's likely why this book was written.
Anyway I jsut thought I'd share with you guys. I know most of us are always interested in a new book!

It is called "Anorexia's Fallen Angel" by Barbara McLintock.
I know it's available at Chapters/Indigo and probably on Amazon althought I haven't checked there.

I'm gonna go check it out at Chapters tomorrow and if you want I'll come back and post what I thought of it tomorrow night if you'd like me to. Just reply and let me know.

Geneveive :canada

[DeltaGirl]

Sounds good let me know what you think about the book. I had always wondered what really happened there. I heard it was a good place from some people and from other it was a horrifying experience. Who knows. Please let me know what you think of this book. Take care. Thanks for informing me of the book.

[Sunflower*]

Guess I'm going to ask a friend of mine a bit more about the whole thing and ask her if I can post about it...

She was admitted to Montreux back in ninety-seven and still lives there, still sees a T and works at the center. As far as I know, just the clinic was closed...

[AngelBarbie]

I met Peggy Claud-Pierre when she came to the :uk
At the time I was in a clinic which had been started by the mother of someone who's son had been in :canada. Peggy & her treatment saved his life and he is now recovered and well.

Peggy came to the clinic and gave a talk. She is the most genuine and lovely woman I have ever met. She knew exactly where I was coming from.

I did think she would be a bit OTT with her over use of world like "honey" and "love" all the time, but it never felt fake.

She emited an aura of calm, authority and wisdom. I thought she was lovely.

Maybe other places poo-poo'ed her clinic because she was so good? Also a lot of her problems stemmed from the fact that she isn't medically trained, so doens't have the authority & clout of other "researches". I think she pissed off a lot of professors and people in the medical profession.

What is she doing now? Is the clinic still open and running? Does anyone know?

[Sunflower*]

I guess :hugon Julia :hugoff is right that Peggy pissed off a lot of professionals, esp. the once that still belive in punishment etc. for people with EDs.

As far as I know (from my friend and also an article that was on SF when the clinic got closed), one or maybe even THE reason for the closure indeed was the lack of medical knowledge Peggy had.

One of the charges she was sued for was indeed treating people that were medically very instable without having them in a hopstial environment without the equipment for emergencies... My friend was one of the people who were named in the trial and she had to testify in court.


Fact is: what Peggy did may have been very risky indeed - but she saved my friend's life. Over here, there was NO hospital willing to take my friend, she simply was sent home to die. So it didn't matter that much that Peggy's place wasn't a hospital... My friend had been in and out of hospitals for years and when admitted by Peggy, had been tube-fed more than two years in a row. If the Montreux clinic hadn't taken her, she would have been dead in a matter of months.

I saw quite some TV programs about the clinic, and I envied the people that were able to get treatment there. The constant support, love and understanding are incredible. Esp. compared to what I've experienced while I was IP in Germany (where I met this friend): "You cry? So no visitors on Sunday". That was the treatment I got. Understanding? Compassion? NO WAY!

My friend still is in Canada, and as far as I know, the Center is still counselling people, but they only can see them as walk-ins...

[BabyBlueAnnika]

As far as I know, I think the official reason for shutting down the clinic was that they did not have a valid license. And the reasons for not being able to renew their license were probably along the lines of what you all have mentioned about the lack of medical professionals and proper equipment and facilities. However, since I'm in BC, the local news has been reporting on the fact that, like Sunflower* has said, there are still patients under Peggy Claude-Pierre's care.

If I see anything more on the news, I'll let you all know.

:love Christine

[Redhead]

Hey all,

I am a :canada :fishy as well and so they have the book at our local Chapters store. I've leafed through it and a great deal of the book is about the legal issues surrounding the closing.
I won't comment on anything in particular because I know lots of people have strong opinions both ways about this place but I will say that it was an interesting read. Could be triggering as there are some numbers in there of patients weights etc but overall it was very eye opening.

:love
RED

[Geneveive]

[brick]
It's a cold rainy day here today so it was perfect weather to go to Chapters.
I looked through "Anorexia's Fallen Angel" for a little while, reading pieces here and there. It basically gives an overview of how the clinic got started, various patients who were treated there with their stories/backgrounds and then how everything came stumbling down. I'm not going to give my personal opinion of it as people can have strong views of it all.
Montreux House as a treatment service is still running but there's no residential program, just day treatment. I think it said that if patients arrive on their door needing twenty-four hour care then a family member must provide it or they can hire a careworker but it's not someone who is on staff.

Overall it was interesting and maybe when I'm back from Switzerland I'll read the whole thing.

Geneveive

[Mully]

Hi all...

I'm a :canada fishy... actually, I live less than one half hour out of the city which Montreux is located. It's been all over the news... a lawsuit is pending over the way people are being treated. Currently they are ONLY allowed day and outpatient programs, but apparently they are breaking rules by having inpatient. It has something to do with claims of improper care.... not only a licensing issue, because it is (obviously) a well known place and they wouldn't have all of this negative media attention without a reason!

[HopAlong]

The only things I know about the center are the bits and pieces that I heard from other people who were at Remuda with me that had also been at Montreux before. Actually, there were a couple of people there who had been together at Montreux, so that was kind of weird for them, but I think good also.

I don't know much about it, like I said, but the opinion or remarks made by the girls I knew were that if you wanted to still practice your ED while you were there, you could. It wasn't official or anything like that of course, but it was very very easy to still practice your ED there. It was common for some people who were still very sick to "group" together and practice their ED together, which of course only kept them sick and would send others spiraling backwards too.

Of course, that's how any recovery is though. If you work it, then it works. If your'e not ready, it won't. So I don't have an opinion of the place one way or the other. It just makes me sad that it was so easy to get away with doing ED behaviors there. It seems like it could have used better monitoring maybe? I don't know:ohboy.

:love
Katie:bug

[Sunflower*]

Isn't there a :fishy in the :bowl that actually was there? :winky

Katie, my friend who was there was watched at everything she was doing for a long long time, and she said there was NO WAY she could have practised ED behaviors...

I'm not going to glorify to Montreux - I think they had a different and new approach, and it's sad that this approaches can't be practised or maybe even used in other institutions anymore.

But in the end, Montreux was just another treatment center. No center is perfect, some people get better, other's don't. Some are willing to change, other's aren't.
If there have been things that were not okay at Montreux - mistakes are made in every center.
People who left Montreux have died. but people who were at other places have died, too.

Fact simply is that Montreux took extremely sick patients - and my friend wouldn't be alive today, five years later. Montreux was her last chance - and it was the onloy one she had, because there wasn't a single hospital in the whole COUNTRY that would take her anymore.
That itself sucks - you always should have the chance to get treatment. The care YOU need, not just some standarddizred programs.

I guess it's always the same about new approaches: they are very controversial, because the vast majority of people practising the old approaches has to rethink what they're doing. that's a threat to them...

I'm seeing a T in an institution myself that practises something new. Methods totally accepted by the vast majority of scientists and therapists, but it doesn't fit into the criteria of health insurance. They rather pay for months and months of IP that are expensive, but where you only see your T once a week.
when I was doing intensive therapy, I had my T there ALL DAY. He got me through the most difficult situations - I never would ave gotten through them while IP where I hardly ever would have seen my T but would have spend hours painting, cooking, doing recreational stuff. NOT HWAT I NEEDED.
So the institution where I see my T is also controversial - but why not give it a chance if you feel that's what *I* need, and when you trust the people and get :kick in the butt BIG TIME?

Sorry for drifting from the original subject..

[KAUSAL]

I'm not sure if many :fishy s have read my posts about not being able to attend the new clinic that has opened here in Australia.

However, I thought I'd post this anyway. The clinic I was going to when I reached a certain weight is called Footprints of Angels and is run by dieticians, nurses etc. and the founder is a woman whose daughter was saved by peggy at the montreux clinic in canada. FOA is based on that clinic and it also has received a lot of controversy as some claim b/c it isn't run by actual MDs it shouldn't be running at all. I have no opinion either way really except I know of a girl who entered FOA in Melbourne (i'm in Brisbane) and she is now completely recovered. :happy

I am back at the bottom of the waiting list for the clinic as my place was given to soemone else as I am apparently taking too long to get to their minimum required weight. They have no medical facilities at the clinic for emergencies and this is why you have to be a certain weight. I take it Montreux didn't have that policy?

Have any other :fishy s heard any more about montreux's closure? Or about FOA for that matter? I would be really interested.

Keep :kick ing sweethearts

Special :love
Kausal
xxxooo

Have you all read Peggy's The Secret Language of Eating Disorders ?
:muhaha I edited this post to add that last question as I have just figured out how to do fun stuff like italics and bold etc.

[wasabi]

hey fishies,
this new book about montreaux by barbara mcclintock is a really good book. i read it in one night because i got hooked on it. it is interesting to read about peggy's "healing methods" and "theories." i suggest all you fishies read it.

[Talihar]

Hi! I am new here, and this is my first post. I am anorexic and have been for a very long time. I have pretty much resigned myself to the category of "chronic." But there IS hope, there is always hope.

I have read the book ANOREXIA'S FALLEN ANGEL and I found it fascinating. I've been following the whole Montreux story for a long time, many years, and so when the book came out I was quick to grab hold of it.

A brief note here: the name of the place is Montreux Centre for Eating Disorders or Montreux Clinic, not Montreaux House. There is a gorgeous mansion in the Rockland Avenue area of Victoria where much of the program was centered for a long time, especially the residential component, and that is what many of us have seen on TV programs (or we've seen photos of it in magazine articles) and so associate that particular building with the whole concept of Montreux. Actually, that mansion is now up for sale.

While I think Peggy Claude-Pierre might have been following her feelings and so on when setting up Montreux in the first place, I also think that she got sidetracked somewhere along the line especially after all the publicity and TV programs and stuff. I suspect she got carried away with all the fame and potential fortune so that she lost track of what would really have been appropriate in administering a treatment program. Not to mention that she really would not have known just what all constitutes an ED treatment program in the first place, because neither of her daughters was ever in one.

She does not have any sort of formal degree, and most of the careworkers or other staff working with severely ill patients at Montreux did not have appropriate educational backgrounds either. Many were former or even current patients. When she eventually hired (at the urgings of the health authorities after the hearings two years ago) some professional nurses and a dietitian, those people soon quit because it was clear to them that what they were recommending be corrected was not going to be. That's not right.

The initial investigations into the operations of Montreux revealed that there were a lot of things going on there which really should not have been, and because of this, Licensing was (and still is) looking askance at the entire program.

Inappropriate touching....uneducated staff... Administrators frankly lying about certain things or attempting to conceal them(and being caught out eventually)....force-feeding to the extreme of ramming spoons or nipples from sports bottles into uncooperative patients' mouths...inappropriate treatment of a three-year-old child in an adult environment (not to mention that the kid didn't have an eating disorder in the first place but something else altogether!)....inadequate or absent medical treatment facilities....denial of what should be basic rights of patients....giving lipservice to compliance with Licensing rules and regulations but then finding ways to circumvent them.... All of these and more were what was going on at Montreux.

After the hearings two years ago Peggy surrendered the license for a residential facility and the agreement was that Montreux would function as an outpatient clinic only. Well, apparently patients were still being treated on an inpatient basis and the program was also handling many people who, while they were supposedly "outpatient," were also "on care" (just as in the earlier days of residential care in the mansion) with ********/**** management from careworkers hired through an agency set up by a former Montreux employee. The Health Authorities felt that lives were still being endangered and so they went to court to once again attempt to shut down Montreux or at least to get the program to be functioning only as a strictly outpatient situation.

The most recent situation in court involved a settlement between the Health Authorities and Montreux, with some pretty stringent restrictions. One of the stipulations is that in addition to the outpatient program, if there are patients being treated on a more intensive basis (no more than two allowed) -- ie, residential or "on care," that the patients NOT have a psychological disorder. Hey? That pretty effectively rules out eating disorders, then, doesn't it, as anorexia nervosa and bulimia nervosa are clearly delineated in the DSM-IV as being none other than psychological disorders. Huh. If the program is eventually found to be in violation of this or any one of the other stipulations set forth in the settlement, then the entire place will be shut down for good. My guess? That sooner or later Peggy will attempt to circumvent some rule or regulation or stipulation of the court order and will be found out and then the place will be closed.

It is really sad, this whole situation, because I think a lot of people have been greatly misled right along by what Peggy and Montreux were promising. It is a lie, her announcement of Montreux's "cure rate." A blatant lie. Too many people have emerged from there after months or even YEARS and still needed further treatment. Other treatment centers and ED specialists have seen plenty of people coming to them after having supposedly been "cured" at Montreux.

Something is very wrong when patients spend not just a few weeks or even a few months, but YEARS at a supposed "treatment program." And then they go home, STILL not recovered. Some went home only to die.

Peggy had some good ideas in the beginning but I think her own ego overtook her and that was that. Certainly she is basing her premises on some unsteady ground, too, by refusing to acknowledge all the various contributing factors to the development of an ED. She should start right at home by looking at the fact that her own two daughters developed anorexia nervosa. How about a a closer look at Peggy herself? She needs to do some serious self-examination here. There was a divorce from the first husband, the father of her two daughters, and presumably there were some rough times in the family prior to that. And she doesn't acknowledge that this might have an impact on her daughters, both of whom were teenagers and vulnerable at the time?? She also seems to gloss over other issues which have been recognized by experts in the field as potentially triggering factors, such as physical or emotional abuse and/or alcoholism/drug addiction in the family. Interesting how she doesn't want to touch THAT with a ten-foot pole. She doesn't want to acknowledge any family issues because that might mean that, hey, she'd need to look more closely at herself and her own family.

She also doesn't acknowledge the groundwork laid by experts in the field, instead copping on to established theories and then labelling them with her own verbiage and never giving credit where it is properly due, but claiming these as her own unique theories and at the same time promising that she can "cure" anorexia. Not so.

Well, sorry, looks like I got rather carried away here.... as you can undoubtedly tell by this point I am no fan of Peggy Claude-Pierre!
The book, by respected Canadian journalist Barbara McLintock, is an excellent read and does present the information surrounding the history of Montreux and the history of the investigations quite fairly, just putting the facts out there and letting the reader develop his or her own conclusions.


Talihar

[KAUSAL]

Wow, that was a long post :muhaha It was very interesting though. Some of it worries me in that I wonder whether Footprints (based on Montreux) subject their patients to the same thing.
However, I have to agree to disagree with some things you said Talihar. For one, do you really believe it was Peggy's fault her daughters both became anorexic? I thought that was maybe a big assumption. I don't agree with the theory that basically parents are at the root of their children's EDs. Certainly in some cases, but not all. I know you didn't say that sweetie, I just got off track a bit there.
The only other thing I had to say is that maybe Peggy's 'cure' rate has been overblown but I know of one completely recovered anorexic who was treated by Peggy in Montreux. She credits Peggy with saving her life and I think someone who can cure even one person (and it hasn't been only one) of this insidious disorder then that someone can't be too bad.

Welcome to the :bowl Talihar and please don't take offense to the above. A bit of healthy debate is good for the soul :muhaha

Keep :kick ing and I hope to see you post more as time goes on.

Special :love
Kausal
xxxooo

[lilsweetie]

I live in vancouver, which is pretty close to the montreaux clinic. When it was open it always interested me because of its controversial ways. I want to read that book because it seems really interesting. Thanks for all the insight from everyone else.

[markw]

They really had no choice but to close the place. If you read the chapter about what they did to Lena Zavaroni, I think that everyone would realize that it was the worst most unsafe place in the world. Peggy is good on tv that is for sure, but if you think that you are going to see her carrying other patients down the stairs, you are wrong. I could not believe the stuff that I read about the mismanagement of medication. There is a reason why things are lisenced.......... to protect people. Peggy's place was not safe and it had to be closed. The things that she did to little david were wrong too. No three year old should be separated from his family, and to be misdiagnosed is just wrong. It is a shame that she felt it necessary to lie about her credentials.......... just a few credits short of a Doctorate.............. yea true, she is only about two hundred fifty credits short............... I am only a few long years away from being a brain surgeon

[Chele]

Bumping up for sylphlover.

[TapJazz]

I apologize for responding to this post so late, but I haven't been to the boards much lately and am seeing this for the first time.

Thanks for alerting me to the new book. I went to the Borders site to order it, but the reader reviews were overwhelmingly negative (saying the book is equivalent to a tabloid) so for now I'll delay a purchase.

My question is: Does the author give both sides to the story? Is the book a Peggy-bashing, or is it a TRUE account of what happened there? If what the author says is true, I would think she would have no qualms about putting in stories from people who were successfully treated at Montreaux. If she does not, then perhaps she has an agenda and I would be suspicious of her motives.

Just a thought. :shy

[Sylphlover]

Thank you :hugon Chele :hugoff for bumping this up. WOw!! A lot of information was given. I will have to see if I can get that book. It is amazing how different people can recover after leaving one treatment center while others recover after leaving another center...and some recover when they don't even go to a treatment center. I know it wasn't until I hit my bottom of bottom and was sick of being sick did I let the treatment center actually help me. I also believe strongly in the twelve steps and that is what is my guiding force in recovery.

This whole thing about not having a degree...really is a non issue to me.. This is why. I have two Masters Degrees... One in Clinical Teaching and another in Educational Leadership/Instuctional Technology.. OK Well, I totally believe that experience not the actually degree is what makes a person knowledgable and really understands a job or the people they are working with...

In other words... It wasn't any one with a specific degree that helped me recover from Anorexia it was other recovering anorexics/bulimics and the twelve step program that helped me. Other alcoholics and the twelve step program helps me a day at a time stay sober. Do these people have degrees in ED/AA... NOPE!! You know Peggy had the experience of her daughters. My mom learned more from reading her first book about helping herself and me with the ED. So go figure. A lot of "degreed people" out there don't know a damn things about EDs...and when they even try to say they understand or just eat or like Sunflower posted...you cry no visitors.. My G-d that is about as unhelpful as anything I heard...to tell an ED person.. So this is just my opinion.

I won't be a great teacher or Educational Leader until I have the experience in the job.. Big deal about the two papers I have that say I have a Master Degree... I am not downing myself about earning those degrees either. I am just saying...like they told me when I leave treatment "this is where the rubber hits the road" Well, to me someone recovering or experience A/B talking to me is where I gain all the experience, strength and hope I need. I see that they were where I was...and now they are recovering. That means so much more to me than someone with a "degree" that tells me....textbook shit on how to recover!!

[Arabesque]

:hugon Geneveive :hugoff

I was reading an article about the Montreaux clinic that was posted where I go for my group therapy. Thanks so much for the book recommendation...I love books :winky. Take gentle care...

:love Jess :canada

[AngelBarbie]

No I don't think you need a degree to be able to help someone. But I think that Peggy's problem is that she is not a doctor. So the medical profession "pulls rank" and "protects" it's own. I think they pulled her to pieces out of snobery.
I don't care what anyone says, there are a lot of people out there now, who would be dead, if it were not for Peggy.
when I met her the one time, she was very genuine and lovely. I can't imagine her being abusive or forceful.
She has saved people's lives. She has helped a lot of people. I personally can't understand all the "bad press." But there we go, I haven't been there, so I don't know do I?

[KAUSAL]

:hugon :bowl :hugoff

Peggy was contacted again by my doctor who told her of my distress of not being able to retain my place at 'her' Australian clinic. She has now been emailing me regularly ever since and I don't think a person can fake the genuity and kindness and support and wiseness she has offered me. I very much believe in what she is saying to me and if she treated all her patients in her clinic before it was closed the way she is treating me, well, no wonder she had such a high success rate without any recidivism.

I'm not sure if this reply is even relevant to the post! :ummm Oh well, this is my experience with her. Also, TappJazz, I think you make a fantastic point/s.

[Sylphlover]

AngelBarbie...Right On!!! Kasual that is so awesome she is emailing you!! I am glad you validated what I thought all along..That she is a genuine :angel!! Hope you continue to gain the strength and support from her. :yay

[TapJazz]

Why, thank you Kausal. Sometime I actually manage to make sense. :sarcasm It's great that Peggy has contacted you...good luck.

I agree with most of what has said here.While I have never met Peggy, and have not attended her clinic, I tend to not believe most of the negative things that have been said about her methods and her clinic. Perhaps people who worked for her acted improperly toward patients due to improper training, but Peggy herself should not be solely responsible for others' actions.

I also think that her lack of degree is meaningless. People with med degrees are probably jealous of her for being able to actually help people with EDs recover, when the medical community has not yet been able to do so with any regularity. Instead of asking for Peggy's HELP and asking to be taught her methods, they want to seem like they are superior and know more than they actually do.

Just my two+ cents... :supergrin

[Chele]

NO RECIDIVISM? Where did you get that idea? There are patients of Peggy's who have died (she has admitted so herself as of late). Patients have relapsed (and survived) as well (read above posts about fishies meeting girls in treatment with them after already having been through the Montreaux program). I'm definitely not saying that this is her fault. Many ed patients relapse and die even after being in treatment at "licensed" facilities as well (heck, I did--relapsed that is and had to go back before I "got" that it wasn't the treatment center that was going to "cure" me but my hard work once I got out--in my opinion, treatment is just the beginning--once you leave, that's when the hardest work begins).

I just think it was wrong of her to portray her place as being a "cure-all" (one hundred percent recovery if you go through her program). But, from more recent interviews it sounds like she is at least conceding to the fact that not everyone who has been in her care has survived.

I am glad she has helped so many. Also, keep in mind that EVERY hospital, ed program, etc. has been probably been sued at least once. Heck, I bet even your own doctor and/or dentist has even been sued. It doesn't mean that they are all "killing" people. We live in a law-suit-happy world today.

I do remember reading the actual pleading on-line somewhere. I'll see if I can find it and post the link.

[AngelBarbie]

:ummm NO RECIDIVISM?What is that??? - Am I being really thick here or what?
I guess that it is true to say that some people recover on their own. Some people recover with minimal treatment. Some people need repeated admissions and then still struggle. What helps one person doesn't necessarily always help another. I don't think anyone really knows what it is that enables one person to recover and not another, given the same support and idenital treatment.
I think that any treatment has the potential to help someone. It depends on the person, their willness to accept help and their ability to change. I am not saying that "its your fault" if you haven't been able to recover. Because if I were saying that, I would have to put myself in the "failure" category.
I know that sometimes I am more receptive. I can hear the same thing half a dozen times, but still not really hear it, until I am ready to hear it.
I think that it is fair to say that some treatments help some people. But lets face it, no one has ALL THE ANSWERS. No ONE person is clued up or has any magical ability. There isn't any such thing as a "faith healing cure" for ED's.
The cure is the same; eating, gaining weight, and changing the negative way "we" think. But this can be done in a more humane way. It's about learning a new healthy way of coping. About finding self-esteem, becoming more assertive, and in many way, developing an ability to "toughen up". You can't stop what shit life gives you, but you can learn to react to things in a different way. - I will post the funny story about Sherlock Holmes & Dr Watsons camping trip - another time!
No one person can cure or help every sufferer. Within any treatment center there will be successes and relapses.
Hay, lets hope that one day we all "get there." I guess I see recovery as being a journey up a mountain. There is more than one way up, and there are a lot of boulders, rocks and obsticals in the way. It's having the ability to KEEP getting up after you fall over.
Anyway, I am getting all philosophical!

:love

[Chele]

Recidivism: to fall back or tendency to relapse

[Talihar]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KAUSAL

>However, I have to agree to disagree with >some things you said Talihar. For one, do >you really believe it was Peggy's fault her >daughters both became anorexic?

HI! I am finally getting back here after being really busy for a while and then, duh, when I tried to log in forgot my password. ACK!!! Such a dork!

ANYway, here I am now. I hope I'm doing this replying and quoting thing right.

No, I don't think it was ALL Peggy's fault that both daughters became anorexic, but I do think that there is a possibility that family issues (the relationship between Peggy and the girls' father) would have had something to do with their illness, as well as their own individual personality traits and many other factors. The thing is, that Peggy seems to totally negate the idea that there is any connection between her daughters' illnessess and her own marital situation, and she also conveys the impression to people reading her book that the patient's illness is not the parents' fault or the family's fault or anyone's fault. While it certainly isn't any one person or situation's "fault," there is still some element of family dynamics and family issues which can be considered as contributing to the development of an person's eating disorder. Peggy seems to want to deny this altogether. That is what concerns me.

>I don't agree with the theory that basically >parents are at the root of their children's >EDs. Certainly in some cases, but not all.

In some cases it is really easy to point to the family situation as being a contributing factor, while in others it might not be apparent at all. And certainly there would be some situations where perhaps family dynamics and family issues play a very, very small role in the development of someone's ED. Every person with an ED is different and is coming from his or her own particular situation.

>The only other thing I had to say is that >maybe Peggy's 'cure' rate has been >overblown but I know of one completely >recovered anorexic who was treated by >Peggy in Montreux. She credits Peggy with >saving her life and I think someone who can >cure even one person (and it hasn't been >only one) of this insidious disorder then that >someone can't be too bad.

I don't think that Peggy is inherently "bad," or evil; I think that maybe things got a little beyond her control when fame and fortune were at her doorstep and she didn't quite know how to handle all of that plus the ever-increasing demands for more services, with potential clients and their families sending her pleading letters for admission to the clinic. I do believe that she had the best intentions in the world of helping those who were struggling with EDs. Unfortunately, as the saying goes, sometimes the Road to H*ll is paved with the best intentions....


>Welcome to the :bowl Talihar and please >don't take offense to the above.

Thanks, and no, I don't take offense at all. I agree that a healthy debate can be really good for everyone concerned.

I hope that I'll be reading and posting more as time goes on but somehow right after I'd first begun to paddle around in the fishbowl things in my life got REALLY busy!

Talihar

[markw]

I would just like to know what happened to David Bruce and Ross from that book. David did sound like he was misdiagnosed and it was odd how when he went home he was immedately better. He has to be about ******** or ******** now. Somehow I dont think that Oprah would do a story on that one.

[markw]

sorry sorry sorry , I have not been on line in a while, several months, and I keep forgetting to not use numbers.......ugh

[nc]

I am going to close this thread as it is almost eight years old and seems to have been bumped up for advertising (which I removed).